"I always thought that what Russell [T. Davies] did in Doctor Who was extremely ground-breaking, in a slightly more subversive way than it looked like.
It never occurred to me that [the representation of gay characters] was too on the nose; what he did brilliantly was introduce incidentally gay characters—obviously as well as some more in-your-face ones.
One of my favourite stories is [the episode] Gridlock: there’s an elderly couple of ladies who are together, and it just sort of passes by, and that’s the way—softly, softly.
That’s how the revolution happens, as it were: you just become aware that people are incidentally gay.
I think when the day comes that you have a big detective show where the first half hour was this man at work, and he’s a maverick, and all the usual things… and then we went home and his boyfriend says, 'Are you alright?', [and] it was just a thing… then something would have genuinely changed.
I think the problem still is, [being gay] becomes the issue. I think the thing with gay characters is that it has to be an issue, as opposed to being part of everyday life—which of course, as we all know, is what it is."